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Being delta squad had been all i have wanted to be since we were back on the Venator and i finally passed the tryout this week. But since then, baring in mind i have only been in delta for a few days, i have nearly been arrested three times for using my grapple hook. I mean Sev was taking part in a PvP sim with Robin, Jesus, Tesco and I, and then when he died he did what i have seen people with grapple hooks do, he grappled up to a window to see what was happening in there. But that was too much for CG. so they arrested him. I think this is stupid. We aren't annoying anyone with them we are literally using them for fun or there original purpose.  This maybe the same for Shadow, MCOs and there may be others that I don't know about. I just think we should be allowed to use them. 

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If you mean grappled up to the 3rd Floor to go to the Sim Room observation deck, then that is grapple abuse, let me explain why:
1. I was there that day, we were on DEFCON 5 at the time.

2. There are 2 staircases to ascend up to the 3rd Floor.

3. He didn't request the use of the grapple hook to practice.

 

This isn't really a suggestion for the Devs but more a suggestion for Command / AC / Fleet or whatever. (I hope I'm not wrong)

Personally, I don't see a reason why this should change. The Grapple hook is to get to vantage points and rooftops during Out of Base incursions or planetaries, not to avoid using the stairs.

 

I've been arrested for Grapple Abuse multiple times for grappling on the 3rd Floor ledge and extending it so I don't take fall damage. As well as arrested for ascending to the 3rd Floor with it too, and I still do not see a problem.

The MCOs have always been fine with this and accepted the punishment, the previous DS have too it seems, same with Shadow and ARC (Although my recent meetings with ARC have been beyond small)

 

Personally, I HEAVILY -1.

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-1 this post is stupid with the name itself. Grapple hook is a piece of equipment, you should be trained to use it when given permission, and for reasonable use. This isn’t the first time the sev has been arrested for grapple abuse. 

If you aren’t disciplined In graple  hooks you need major training. It isn’t our fault that you don’t know how to properly use equipment. 

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furthermore to add onto my point that Delta Squad isn't trained in their equipment very well. You were warned multiple times on said day about use of equipment, the main thing stupid about the enforcement is the issue the people who reputedly use it, but yet Plea innocent, such as yourself. You also forgot to mention that you yourself were also cuffed & released by Scooby for shooting a grapple instead of a medbomb, We primarily enforce cases of repeat offenders so they wont do it again. Just because you are delta squad, doesn't give you a right to inherently be above the law, and with access to the logs you can see that Delta Squad has been more or less an issue in the eyes of the lore, and in my opinion needs a mandatory training from @Ogre or @Tesco, because from what i have seen these arrests have been fruitless in efficiency. 

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25 minutes ago, IrishTnT said:

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If you mean grappled up to the 3rd Floor to go to the Sim Room observation deck, then that is grapple abuse, let me explain why:
1. I was there that day, we were on DEFCON 5 at the time.

2. There are 2 staircases to ascend up to the 3rd Floor.

3. He didn't request the use of the grapple hook to practice.

 

This isn't really a suggestion for the Devs but more a suggestion for Command / AC / Fleet or whatever. (I hope I'm not wrong)

Personally, I don't see a reason why this should change. The Grapple hook is to get to vantage points and rooftops during Out of Base incursions or planetaries, not to avoid using the stairs.

 

I've been arrested for Grapple Abuse multiple times for grappling on the 3rd Floor ledge and extending it so I don't take fall damage. As well as arrested for ascending to the 3rd Floor with it too, and I still do not see a problem.

The MCOs have always been fine with this and accepted the punishment, the previous DS have too it seems, same with Shadow and ARC (Although my recent meetings with ARC have been beyond small)

 

Personally, I HEAVILY -1.

I believe he is mentioning windows in Sim Room Entrance / Lobby. Those are just beneath the sealing and only way to get on those are to grapple / jetpack.


As for the rest i strongly agree with Cud. For me its -1.

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6 minutes ago, Cud said:

furthermore to add onto my point that Delta Squad isn't trained in their equipment very well. You were warned multiple times on said day about use of equipment, the main thing stupid about the enforcement is the issue the people who reputedly use it, but yet Plea innocent, such as yourself. You also forgot to mention that you yourself were also cuffed & released by Scooby for shooting a grapple instead of a medbomb, We primarily enforce cases of repeat offenders so they wont do it again. Just because you are delta squad, doesn't give you a right to inherently be above the law, and with access to the logs you can see that Delta Squad has been more or less an issue in the eyes of the lore, and in my opinion needs a mandatory training from @Ogre or @Tesco, because from what i have seen these arrests have been fruitless in efficiency. 

I've been hosting training's as well as i have informed Grimmock the day he joined as well as Sev many times that they shouldn't be using grapples without permission, Sev's already in trouble for being on his 4th arrest which happened last night from what i was told, I'm watching them closely and they've been punished for whats happened each time.

If they're caught again doing this inform me and I'll deal with it after they're released from the brig

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Im not going to pass judgement because as a past boss I have a major conflict of interest here.

All I will say is @Ogreas sad as it is, Delta squad will always get this. I experienced it as Boss as im sure Tesco did, in fact its the main reason i resigned.

People dont like Delta squad because its seen as a power fantasy regiment, therefore you'll be scrutinised harsher than other regiments. Im not looking for an argument on the matter, Im stating it as a fact from experience in multiple regiments including Delta. 

My advise is to find work arounds to the rules being put in place by RP Command, I am happy to assist and lend advice from my old handbooks if needed.

I hope this gets resolved.

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2 minutes ago, [PU] Mcbiccies said:

Im not going to pass judgement because as a past boss I have a major conflict of interest here.

All I will say is @Ogreas sad as it is, Delta squad will always get this. I experienced it as Boss as im sure Tesco did, in fact its the main reason i resigned.

People dont like Delta squad because its seen as a power fantasy regiment, therefore you'll be scrutinised harsher than other regiments. Im not looking for an argument on the matter, Im stating it as a fact from experience in multiple regiments including Delta. 

My advise is to find work arounds to the rules being put in place by RP Command, I am happy to assist and lend advice from my old handbooks if needed.

I hope this gets resolved.

Glad to see that someone who knows nothing about the current situations is believing this is whole heartedly only on Delta Squad, You need to consider the fact that everyone is being treated on the same level. It's just surprisingly the special forces put up the biggest Fuss about being arrested, You could ask anyone who is regularly on base, and they would say that everyone is treated the same when it comes to equipment abuse, even the MCOs have been arrested for their own crimes. No one is above the law, and no one can be directly pinned on the law based on their regiment. it's based on equipment, and who can use them.

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6 minutes ago, Cud said:

Glad to see that someone who knows nothing about the current situations is believing this is whole heartedly only on Delta Squad, You need to consider the fact that everyone is being treated on the same level. It's just surprisingly the special forces put up the biggest Fuss about being arrested, You could ask anyone who is regularly on base, and they would say that everyone is treated the same when it comes to equipment abuse, even the MCOs have been arrested for their own crimes. No one is above the law, and no one can be directly pinned on the law based on their regiment. it's based on equipment, and who can use them.

"Im not looking for an argument on the matter, Im stating it as a fact from experience in multiple regiments including Delta."

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1 minute ago, [PU] Mcbiccies said:

"Im not looking for an argument on the matter, Im stating it as a fact from experience in multiple regiments including Delta."

your statement is still heavily Based.

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your statement is still heavily Based.

Your ignoring the fact the first thing i stated was that i was biased on the matter.

"Im not going to pass judgement because as a past boss I have a major conflict of interest here."

Thats all im going to input on the matter so this argument dosent overtake the post. 

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36 minutes ago, [PU] Mcbiccies said:

Im not going to pass judgement because as a past boss I have a major conflict of interest here.

All I will say is @Ogreas sad as it is, Delta squad will always get this. I experienced it as Boss as im sure Tesco did, in fact its the main reason i resigned.

People dont like Delta squad because its seen as a power fantasy regiment, therefore you'll be scrutinised harsher than other regiments. Im not looking for an argument on the matter, Im stating it as a fact from experience in multiple regiments including Delta. 

My advise is to find work arounds to the rules being put in place by RP Command, I am happy to assist and lend advice from my old handbooks if needed.

I hope this gets resolved.

Oh well. Time to do my job of overtyping.

 

You can pass comment, even if you were ex-something or have a conflict-of-interest. I did that with @Bruh's post about removing the DC-15X and Jetpacks.

Explaining to Ogre that DS is gonna get shit on, I understand, but does it need to be done on a public forum, and interestingly, I am almost certain that DS hate nearly halved or more when Tesco became Boss, and that remains roughly the same with Ogre...

 

DS has recently come down from its egotistical high horse and become a specialised, humble and effective regiment (mostly), they aren't bashed, they aren't given special permissions (except for being in the War Room, but HG can too) and well... simply DS are liked and aren't annoying anymore.

 

Here is where I would normally get angry, and I might still yet:

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My advise is to find work arounds to the rules being put in place by RP Command, I am happy to assist and lend advice from my old handbooks if needed.

No. You say people call out Delta Squad for being a 'power fantasy regiment'(??) but then say they should IMPLEMENT WORKAROUNDS TO THE STANDARDISED AND AGREED ON RULES?!?!?!?!? This is a double-standard if I have ever seen one, and one that just won't happen, because no one in Command thinks this is a good idea, and I think Ogre will agree with me that DS do not need exceptions, they need to be pulled up by their belts and told to cop on, whether by a strike, a demotion, or by losing 20 credits and chucked in the Brig. We don't have a rehabilitation detention system on PU (yet...), so they will suck up the 5, 10, however minutes they have, and enjoy a yelling from Boss.

When these rules were set out, they were agreed totally, I even allowed DS permission to enter the Brig (when they were invited) to lower tensions between CG and DS in the dark eras. That still stands, even though they don't really need it. Everything is running more than perfectly fine when it comes to rules set in by Command, if they weren't, they would've been changed by now.

 

Look, I hope that that explains things as well as possible and that all your concerns and text have been suffeciently responded to. If not, I'm happy to respond to more queries.

 

I'm going to go get some coffee.

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Don't be a fucking retard it is really easy to not use your grapple hook unless needed

Or ask permission it really isn't hard

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2 hours ago, [PU] Mcbiccies said:

Im not going to pass judgement because as a past boss I have a major conflict of interest here.

All I will say is @Ogreas sad as it is, Delta squad will always get this. I experienced it as Boss as im sure Tesco did, in fact its the main reason i resigned.

People dont like Delta squad because its seen as a power fantasy regiment, therefore you'll be scrutinised harsher than other regiments. Im not looking for an argument on the matter, Im stating it as a fact from experience in multiple regiments including Delta. 

My advise is to find work arounds to the rules being put in place by RP Command, I am happy to assist and lend advice from my old handbooks if needed.

I hope this gets resolved.

Lmao what. 

DS aren't special. They don't get to equipment abuse simply because no one else does. The fact that you are an "elite" regiment doesn't mean that you can equipment abuse, in fact, you should be the LEAST offenders on the server as a sign of your "eliteness" and rigorous training. 

This isn't a case of DS bias or whatever bullshit; if you can't keep your hands off of your equipment until it is required and permitted, you shouldn't be part of Delta Squad. Simple as. 

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Being denied due to community feedback.

Also, in future, please make sure to talk to your CMDR first when making a forum post that affects the whole regiment, as this does. You haven't mentioned if Boss/  @Ogre has approved this post or not.

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Your suggestion/bug report has now changed status to denied, see the replies to this topic for the reason. If your bug report was denied, it is because it was not able to be re-produced by a member of the development team, or because you submitted a bug report that is invalid and either will not be fixed, or is not fixable (such as asking us to fix an issue with the game itself).

Thank you for taking your time to write your suggestion/bug report.

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