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2 minutes ago, Jesus The Nutter said:

What if it was hand picked? Kinda like how ARC and Shadow work? That way you wouldn't need to worry about the mingey players so long the one in charge isn't a minge themselves?

Hand-picking has been shown to be absolutely ineffective in the past in regards every regiment that has implemented it, without exception. We can't keep trying this system . 

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Initially, ARC was a regimental specialisation with the Attack and Elite Regiments, it was quite popular among people. However, When the request was made for ARC to become its own Regiment, it seemed

i do wish to clarify. No where in the original post grenade launchers were mentioned. IF this was passed, and IF GM were made, it would be their responsibility to make thier own suggestion requesting

+1, I would love to have GM back, this time dealing with minging properly. The biggest problem people have with GM is how they were mingey and friendly fired often, which i have no recollection of hap

4 minutes ago, Pete Broccoli said:

Hand-picking has been shown to be absolutely ineffective in the past in regards every regiment that has implemented it, without exception. We can't keep trying this system . 

Wasn't aware of that, sorry.

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What system would be put in place if ARC became regimental and if that were to happen what would the difference be? My worry is that there would be a return to the conflict between a regimental commander and The Recon trainer/commander whoever or whatever title it’s called which brings us back to square 1 and if there isn’t a recon trainer or whatever it was then they wouldn’t receive their specialised training with Jetpacks etc. I understand the allure of trying to fit ARC with regiments but in the end I don’t think it really works in the Gmod setting as if they split off and go with fellow ARC then they aren’t with the regiment anyways and it works like it does now

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Just now, [PU] Billy said:

What system would be put in place if ARC became regimental and if that were to happen what would the difference be? My worry is that there would be a return to the conflict between a regimental commander and The Recon trainer/commander whoever or whatever title it’s called which brings us back to square 1 and if there isn’t a recon trainer or whatever it was then they wouldn’t receive their specialised training with Jetpacks etc. I understand the allure of trying to fit ARC with regiments but in the end I don’t think it really works in the Gmod setting as if they split off and go with fellow ARC then they aren’t with the regiment anyways and it works like it does now

The difference is that it is optional and does not take up a regiment slot, which means ARC numbers do not matter.

The Commander question is interesting, but personally I think that would be done with the EMCO.

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Just now, [PU] Billy said:

What system would be put in place if ARC became regimental and if that were to happen what would the difference be? My worry is that there would be a return to the conflict between a regimental commander and The Recon trainer/commander whoever or whatever title it’s called which brings us back to square 1 and if there isn’t a recon trainer or whatever it was then they wouldn’t receive their specialised training with Jetpacks etc. I understand the allure of trying to fit ARC with regiments but in the end I don’t think it really works in the Gmod setting as if they split off and go with fellow ARC then they aren’t with the regiment anyways and it works like it does now

This was always a concern when giving regimental ARC orders because they would be grouped up with elite regiments under the EMCO most of the time and pulled away from regimental responsibilities.

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1 minute ago, [PU] Billy said:

What system would be put in place if ARC became regimental and if that were to happen what would the difference be? My worry is that there would be a return to the conflict between a regimental commander and The Recon trainer/commander whoever or whatever title it’s called which brings us back to square 1 and if there isn’t a recon trainer or whatever it was then they wouldn’t receive their specialised training with Jetpacks etc. I understand the allure of trying to fit ARC with regiments but in the end I don’t think it really works in the Gmod setting as if they split off and go with fellow ARC then they aren’t with the regiment anyways and it works like it does now

the way i think it should work is that ARC will operate with the regiment but if a special task comes up with the regiment they would be sent off, instead of making ARC as a squad they could work in pairs for instance since before it was 2 ARC before. That way if a regiment was set a task and they needed like a special squad to do something the 2 ARC would be the ones for it.

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3 minutes ago, [PU] Billy said:

What system would be put in place if ARC became regimental and if that were to happen what would the difference be? My worry is that there would be a return to the conflict between a regimental commander and The Recon trainer/commander whoever or whatever title it’s called which brings us back to square 1 and if there isn’t a recon trainer or whatever it was then they wouldn’t receive their specialised training with Jetpacks etc. I understand the allure of trying to fit ARC with regiments but in the end I don’t think it really works in the Gmod setting as if they split off and go with fellow ARC then they aren’t with the regiment anyways and it works like it does now

ARC would be an extension of a regiment, they can be used how they used to. it's like with Medics / Pilots, they are an extension of a regiment, however if they are of use, they can be detached onto their own mission, they will still be lead by Command, however if they work in turn with their regiment, instead of one big clump . 

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2 minutes ago, IrishTnT said:

The difference is that it is optional and does not take up a regiment slot, which means ARC numbers do not matter.

The Commander question is interesting, but personally I think that would be done with the EMCO.

Where did people get the idea that we have a specific amount of regiment slots? We just add and remove as needed, if you want a regiment added it doesn’t require another regiment to be removed nor visa versa. If it was regimental used it would just be moving the same players around but giving them an overarching title of “regiment” and then their ARC stuff, so it would add to the other regiments total numbers but it’s only an illusion, and as mentioned ARc doesn’t take many players at all so what does it matter?

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eite regiments aren’t supposed to have lots of people in them

 

before demon became BG, regimental arc were just glorified troopers who could use jetpacks and I believe returning them to regimental would cause this issue again. It’s also worth noting that before they became an official regiment they kind of operated as their own regiment due to the changes the previous BG brought about to how regimental ARC troopers operate 

 

when GM were an elite regiment their specific role was never able to be properly carried out due to:

1. Ship boarding never actually being a thing except for 1 or 2 events 

2. GM didn’t get to do much breaching due to other regiments breaching as it is kind of a need to know tactic

 

Just because an elite regiment does not have many members does not mean we need to instantly remove it. Give ARC time to get 1 or 2 more members instead of instantly trying to remove them.

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Just now, [PU] Billy said:

Where did people get the idea that we have a specific amount of regiment slots? We just add and remove as needed, if you want a regiment added it doesn’t require another regiment to be removed nor visa versa. If it was regimental used it would just be moving the same players around but giving them an overarching title of “regiment” and then their ARC stuff, so it would add to the other regiments total numbers but it’s only an illusion, and as mentioned ARc doesn’t take many players at all so what does it matter?

Where possible, we want the MCOs to have an even amount of Regiments. And even if it doesn't take many players, it is practically dead and has no appeal.

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eite regiments aren’t supposed to have lots of people in them

 

before demon became BG, regimental arc were just glorified troopers who could use jetpacks and I believe returning them to regimental would cause this issue again. It’s also worth noting that before they became an official regiment they kind of operated as their own regiment due to the changes the previous BG brought about to how regimental ARC troopers operate 

 

when GM were an elite regiment their specific role was never able to be properly carried out due to:

1. Ship boarding never actually being a thing except for 1 or 2 events 

2. GM didn’t get to do much breaching due to other regiments breaching as it is kind of a need to know tactic

 

Just because an elite regiment does not have many members does not mean we need to instantly remove it. Give ARC time to get 1 or 2 more members instead of instantly trying to remove them.

ARC has existed since June 14th or somewhere abouts. They have had that long to prove themselves and just haven't really.

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3 minutes ago, IrishTnT said:

ARC has existed since June 14th or somewhere abouts. They have had that long to prove themselves and just haven't really.

Yeah but that’s not the regiments fault that’s because I can’t be active enough right now, doesn’t mean you remove it because the CO hasn’t had the time. Would it appease you if I go recruit a few people and then come back and say tadaaa there are more players in it, just to adhere to an abstract number that some believe an elite regiments population should fulfill?

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5 minutes ago, Hagrid said:

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eite regiments aren’t supposed to have lots of people in them

 

before demon became BG, regimental arc were just glorified troopers who could use jetpacks and I believe returning them to regimental would cause this issue again. It’s also worth noting that before they became an official regiment they kind of operated as their own regiment due to the changes the previous BG brought about to how regimental ARC troopers operate 

 

when GM were an elite regiment their specific role was never able to be properly carried out due to:

1. Ship boarding never actually being a thing except for 1 or 2 events 

2. GM didn’t get to do much breaching due to other regiments breaching as it is kind of a need to know tactic

 

Just because an elite regiment does not have many members does not mean we need to instantly remove it. Give ARC time to get 1 or 2 more members instead of instantly trying to remove them.

Hagrid, with the state ARC is currently in. ARC either isn't there, or are just flying around in ships not Jetpacks. i would personally see the benefit of ARC becoming an extension of a regiment, so their primary task would be with the regiment 

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1 minute ago, [PU] Billy said:

Yeah but that’s not the regiments fault that’s because I can’t be active enough right now, doesn’t mean you remove it because the CO hasn’t had the time. Would it appease you if I go recruit a few people and then come back and say tadaaa there are more players in it, just to adhere to an abstract number that some believe an elite regiments population should fulfill?

In that case, someone that is able to play and recruit more should be able to take lead.

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1 minute ago, Cud said:

Hagrid, with the state ARC is currently in. ARC either isn't there, or are just flying around in ships not Jetpacks. i would personally see the benefit of ARC becoming an extension of a regiment, so their primary task would be with the regiment 

So again these are more suggestions of things we could do differently with the regiment, instead of never saying a thing about any of these problems giving ARc no chance to fix it and instantly say let’s remove it. If problems aren’t discussed they won’t be fixed.

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2 minutes ago, [PU] Billy said:

Yeah but that’s not the regiments fault that’s because I can’t be active enough right now, doesn’t mean you remove it because the CO hasn’t had the time. Would it appease you if I go recruit a few people and then come back and say tadaaa there are more players in it, just to adhere to an abstract number that some believe an elite regiments population should fulfill?

You being inactive to what ever reason isn't a valid counter argument surely if you cant be on the server when you are needed you should step down and let someone who does have the time take over to help the regiment like you said it can be helped

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1 minute ago, Tesco said:

In that case, someone that is able to play and recruit more should be able to take lead.

I was talking to Unseen about that a few weeks ago, once ARC gets a couple more members and we sort out Ranks that was always the plan

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Just now, [PU] Billy said:

I was talking to Unseen about that a few weeks ago, once ARC gets a couple more members and we sort out Ranks that was always the plan

Yeh but someone needs to be able to take lead now 

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Just now, [PU] Billy said:

So again these are more suggestions of things we could do differently with the regiment, instead of never saying a thing about any of these problems giving ARc no chance to fix it and instantly say let’s remove it. If problems aren’t discussed they won’t be fixed.

Alright Billy, how about while we discuss this, you have some time to do these things and prove ARC as a regiment. Because there is a whole process for the removal of a regiment that would take 2 to 3 weeks. Meetings, debates everything. You have time to prove yourself, so do it.

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Just now, [PU] Billy said:

I was talking to Unseen about that a few weeks ago, once ARC gets a couple more members and we sort out Ranks that was always the plan

How can you expect to get more members in the regiment when you aren't active? I'm not blaming you, I'm genuinely asking how you expect to get through this.

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3 minutes ago, Pete Broccoli said:

How can you expect to get more members in the regiment when you aren't active? I'm not blaming you, I'm genuinely asking how you expect to get through this.

Your dead on Pete, I was really hoping that I would be back by now, but for reasons I’m not going to put on a public forum It’s fallen apart, the only reason I’m not on LOA is because I’m trying to give ARC trainings every now and then but yet again as far as playercount none of us care that there are 4 of us we’ve been happy with keeping it low numbers as an elite regiment from day 1 so really no I was never planning on adding more but clearly I have to otherwise people are going to carry on trying to remove ARC.

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1 minute ago, [PU] Billy said:

Your dead on Pete, I was really hoping that I would be back by now, but for reasons I’m not going to put on a public forum It’s fallen apart, the only reason I’m not on LOA is because I’m trying to give ARC trainings every now and then but yet again as far as playercount none of us care that there are 4 of us we’ve been happy with keeping it low numbers as an elite regiment from day 1 so really no I was never planning on adding more but clearly I have to otherwise people are going to carry on trying to remove ARC.

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1 minute ago, [PU] Billy said:

the only reason I’m not on LOA is because I’m trying to give ARC trainings every now and then

If you can only give training every once in a while, I think the members of the community would rather be informed through an LOA with the odd connection to the server for training or whatnot; It's not like you are going to be yelled at because you came back on once through a long LOA. 

 

5 minutes ago, [PU] Billy said:

as far as playercount none of us care that there are 4 of us we’ve been happy with keeping it low numbers as an elite regiment from day

This can be disputed (as it has been by current ARC members in this thread) and the opinions of the individual members isn't the entirety of the weighting of the regiment. We need to see an active regiment, otherwise the questions asked here do pop up, such as, "Is this regiment really worth having over any of the other regiments that could add more to the server?"

And it's definitely not a case of "just add GM if you want it while keeping the ARC regiment." Everyone on the server knows that we simply don't have the playercount for that. We will be straight back to the problems we had when we phased out GM, GC + 104th.

Trust me, I wholly believe that reimplementing GM will cause me a marked increase in bothersome shit to deal with, but, we do need to consider what is best for the server at specifically this moment in time.

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1 hour ago, Pete Broccoli said:

We will be straight back to the problems we had when we phased out GM, GC + 104th.

*We will be straight back to the problems that forced us to phase out GM, GC + 104th.

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